How to improve the page rank

[damiun +]

Hi,

Ive been advised to improve my page rank many times,
I used google to first find out what it was and i discovered i had to link with high quality pages.
So i installed a firefox addon so i can see the page rank instantly.

But i have a question: to improve my page rank, pages with a higher page rank has to be linked to me. But if pages with a page rank of 3 link to a page rank of 2 their pagerank (of 3) will decrease. So why would they want to link to pages with a lower page rank.

And do you have tips for page rank improvements.

Is it wise to buy links? (pay one amount an have your link on 500 pages)

I hope you can help me out!

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[seymourjames +]

Trying to improve page rank is a waste of time. I don't know where you have got this from but it is years out of date. Read some basic SEO advice on the forum. I posted a stick y thread about it. Cover the basics and all will follow in good time.

[shanedawg +]

Well, I think page rank still exists, but is not as important as it once was. Just because one website has a page rank of 7 doesn't mean it ranks better in search results than a site that has a page rank of 3. Search engine placement depends on several other factors such as keyword density and such.

So in effect, Seymour James is right that focusing only on Page Rank is a waste of time. But, the links that you said are important to Page Rank are still a major player in search engine placement in my opinion.

To answer your question of why would a higher ranking site link to yours is simple. Would your site provide a value to that site owner's visitors? You could ask me for a link right now and I wouldn't give it to you, because I don't think it provides any value to my site's visitors. It's not because I don't think your site has good intentions and is an overall good site, but it just doesn't do anything for MY customers. And it's not because you may (or may not) have a lower Page Rank. It's all about what is best for my customers (visitors).

Seymour James and others have pointed out in other discussions that it is all about good content. And it really is when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it. Google and other search engines have adapated so well to the current environment that their algorithms are hard to trick. They have worked very hard to combat unscrupulous website operators that have tried to game their search engines in the past. Links used to be a way to manipulate the system, but that's not the case anymore. Links do still matter, but to a much smaller degree than they used to and Google particularly has gotten smart about grading the links you get.

Don't get me wrong, I still try to get links. But I try do so naturally. The more value I provide on my site the more people that will link to me. It's going very slowly, trust me.

Your other question was "Is it wise to buy links?". No, not usually. I have paid someone to do a link campaign for me in the past for a brand new site. It couldn't hurt me at that point because I was virtually unknown so it helped my site a little bit. But my content that I eventually got on the site has helped more than anything.

For a classifieds site, I think the magic answer to everyone's questions about SEO is content. But how do you get content on a classifieds site? Well how did I just span several paragraphs about someone's basic question on a forum. I put thought into it and started writing. You could do the same on your site. The only other way is to market your site so that more people post on your site and thus provide you with content. The hardest part of owning a classifieds site is marketing. That is what we all sometimes overlook, but marketing is the most important to our success. If you have more ads on your site as a result of your marketing efforts, you will probably gain some links in the process as well.

Ok, I'm done babbling. Let me know how it goes.

[Lhotch +]

For a niche site starting out, page rank and seo mean nothing. All the people on the web can be forced to visit your site but if you dont have anything to offer them who cares?

You needs ads on your site!!!!!

Stop wasting your time with SEO and page rank and get out there and get ads on your site, if you dont your going to be floundering in technologyville forever.

[damiun +]

First of all, everybody thanks for your answer.
There is indeed a lot of discussion it a page rank is important or not.

The reason i created this thread was that my site is a charity site and one requirement of a new sponsor was at least a page rank of 3.

@seymourjames
I do have a lot of unique content, especially on the home (Damiun.nl - Dé goede doelen marktplaats - Advertentie plaatsen en goede doelen helpen - Ook gratis advertenties!)

@Lhotch
You mean ads as in listings or ads as in google ads?
If you mean listings ; i am working on it and almost everyday at least one ad is placed.
But i am planning of sending out around 30.000-40.000 flyers,
But if we get the sponsor, he wanted to be on the flyer.
So he sugegsted me to wait with the flyer so the sponsor deal is secure so we can put him on the flyer, but to send out the flyer the site had to have a page rank of 3.

@shanedawg
Thanks for your answer and what you did in your reply i did on my home.


So i thing i just have to send out the offline mailing to get more ads, and i slowly got to exchange links ........

Thanks,
Dominick

[Lhotch +]

Originally Posted by damiun

@Lhotch
You mean ads as in listings or ads as in google ads?
If you mean listings ; i am working on it and almost everyday at least one ad is placed.
But i am planning of sending out around 30.000-40.000 flyers,
But if we get the sponsor, he wanted to be on the flyer.
So he sugegsted me to wait with the flyer so the sponsor deal is secure so we can put him on the flyer, but to send out the flyer the site had to have a page rank of 3.

I mean ads as in listings, dont worry about google ads. My opinion is you should be spending all the time you are spending now on SEO and page rank crap getting listings on your site because its these listings that will encourage traffic and others to place listings.

If you dont have the listings, all the traffic in the world will mean little. You have stated before people dont see enough value in your site and arent posting ads because your site doesnt have any ads. Youve been told what you need but you continue to worry about search engine placement and page rank. Does SEO and page rank have its place? Sure it does, but when your starting out, it should be ay at the bottom of the list, that stuff will naturally come to some degree just by getting ads on your site. People will talk, spread the word, link to you etc. That will all come in time but for right now you need to get creative and get quality listings on your site.

[seymourjames +]

I am mainly in agreement with Larry. Unless your business model says you need search engine traffic then you will waste a lot of time. Its as much about quality of visitor as quantity. Quality visitors are generated by being relevant. And that my dear Dominick is what you need to grasp. Why is your site relevant and to whom.

If you do not answer this question and put marketing in place to capture those visitors and advertisers which regard your site a as relevant, you will not succeed.

SEO can be summarized very quickly.

How would you determine whether your site was more relevant than the one next to it on basically the same subject. The answer is what does your site contain and what do others think of it - content and references mean a everything. Not any reference but from others which are also considered to be relevant and even more so from other relevant parties in the same subject area.

So you have good original content (minimal duplication) and you need links from respected sites where the links to you are in context too. So not links from sites about cars even if it is the top car site. It is irrelevant what a site about cars thinks about a charity site. Why would their opinion be important or relevant. A link in an article about charity work in Holland on the Oxfam site or on Unicef would be extremely valuable. See my point. The link would be relevant.

Now how many times have I used that R word.

Why is your site relevant and to whom. Then market to these people. As Larry put it and I have said before. It is not a technology race but a marketing one.

[Casey.Kaden]

You have to understand the concept of what Pagerank is and how it works to understand how to "improve" it. At the end of this answer are some links to useful resources to provide more information not provided in this answer.

Pagerank is "not" a site wide value, each web page has it's own unique Pagerank value. So, your first lesson is Pagerank is for web pages not websites.
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[seymourjames +]

And it has very little to do with whether your site is successful or not. A high page rank is also no guarantee of good placement of a page in Google either. They have moved on now from just considering the number and quality of votes being cast for you site (although still important as part of a whole SEO campaign). As a measure of Relevance it is just too crude and too easily manipulated.